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Torres 11 String Copy
This instrument today is considered to be a nylon or classical harp guitar because it has a number of strings that are not on the fingerboard. I made this
copy of the Torres SE83 back in 1999, although I chose to use different woods. I used the measurements in José L Romanillos' book 'Antonio de Torres,
Guitar Maker, His Life and Work'. It is a beautiful sounding instrument. The tuning of this instrument I found in a book was CFDGB, EAdgbe. I would
suggest finding your own tuning. The four strings that lay off the fingerboard can be plucked by the left thumb. A copy of this instrument would costs
£2750 with a Cedar neck, Indian Rosewood back and sides, a European spruce soundboard and French polished. Please inquire for alternative woods
and options.
History: There was a small, dedicated group of eleven stringed guitar players in the last half of the 19th century in Andalusia, Spain. These players
included José Martinez Toboso, Juan Parga, José Rojo Cid and blind guitarist Antonio Jiménes Manjón (1866-1919, some people write Antonio Gimenez
Manjón). James Westbrook of 'The Guitar Museum' found a review of a concert Manjón gave in England in 1888. The article says that he played on a 9-
string guitar. Manjón's music for the eleven-stringed guitar was published by Romero y Fernández in two volumes called 'Escuela de la Guitarra'.
Finefretted.com sells some of Manjón's sheet music as well as other composers of multi-stringed guitars such as Mertz and Coste. I don't know if the
music is arranged for these kinds of instrument or adapted for 6-string.
Carlos Garcia Tolsa with his Francisco Nuñez 11 string guitar.
Photo courtesy of Randy Osborne
Carlos Garcia Tolsa ( 1858-1905 ) was the nephew of Manjón and was taught by Julian Arcas. To the left there
is a picture of Tolsa holding an 11-string guitar, made by Francisco Nuñez c1895.
Randy Osborne of Fine Fretted Instruments demonstrate the instrument.
With my interest in harp guitars I came across Torres's work from the wonderful book
'Antonio de Torres, Guitar Maker, His Life and Work' written by José L Romanillos.
This book gives an excellent description of Torres's instruments and his work. José
also gives some details to the restoration he did on the Torres 'SE83' eleven string.
These special guitars were said to be his interpretation of the Germanic bass-guitar
(Kontra guitare). Although Torres had seven strings on the fingerboard and the other
four lay off the fingerboard. Antonio de Torres (1817-92) made many guitars and 88
of them are listed in the book. It is not a complete list and hopefully a few others will
come to light in the future.
The earliest known surviving eleven string is Torres's 'SE 07', which was made in
1876 and was owned by José Martinez Toboso. The 'SE' stands for the 'Second
Epoch' of Torres's life of guitar making. In this era he numbered his instruments. The
'SE 07' guitar was inherited by Maria Terol, who unfortunately had it converted from
eleven strings to six strings by Marcelo Barbero in 1945. The guitar has cypress
wood back and sides, which is normally associated with flamenco guitars. The best
reason for using cypress is that it is not as heavy as rosewood and that it was a local wood and so cheaper
than rosewood, which had to be imported. This guitar has a three-piece spruce soundboard. There is a photo
of Toboso playing the eleven stringed guitar in Romanillos's book. It is hard to tell from the photo but it can
look as if the there were eight strings on the fingerboard.
Probably the first classical guitar duo to make a concert tour of America was formed by Práxedes Gil-Orozco and José Martinez Toboso, personal friends
of Francisco Tarrega. There is a photo taken of the pair of them in January 1889 in Valencia. In the photo are two eleven string guitars that were
commissioned from the famous luthier Antonio de Torres. From Valencia there was a three week journey to Venezuela. From Venezuela they went to
San Juan de Puerto Rico, to Santo Domingo in the Dominican Republic, Port au Prince in Haiti to arrive in Havana on the island of Cuba. From there
they went to New Orleans in the USA, Mexico, Guatemala, Colombia, Chile, Brazil, Uruguay and Argentina. In 1890 Toboso returned to Spain and
Orozco stayed in Brazil where he remained until 1907 developing a brilliant career as a concert performer, entrepreneur and journalist.
Guitar 'SE 71' was made in 1884 and was once owned by José Rojo Cid. In an article from 'American Lutherie
Number 33', luthier Richard E Bruné talks about its history and the restoration he made on this guitar. It is said
that José Rojo Cid studied with Juan Parga, and Juan Parga knew Antonio Jiménes Manjon. It is also said that
Manjon owned two eleven stringed guitars by Torres. It seems that José Rojo Cid obtained one of these eleven
stringed guitars. The strutting in this guitar is different from Torres's normal fan bracing. The two outer struts on
either side of the fan bracing continue under arches in the lower harmonic bar/cross strut. This was to give the
soundboard more freedom of movement and so more responsive to the lower frequencies of the five bass
strings. This guitar had been repaired by Marcelino Lopez Nieto and then by Bruné in 1993.
Guitar 'SE 83' was made in 1885 and this has locust wood for its back and sides, it is the only guitar to have used
locust wood. Romanillos repaired this particular guitar in 1981. He also gives measurements for this instrument,
which I used for this eleven stringed classical guitar. There are also plans for the instrument on the Internet. The
SE 83 also appears in the book 'La Guitarra Española, The Spanish Guitar', which was published for an
exhibition at the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York, USA. You can see a picture of this instrument, which is
now in Paris in the Musée de la Musique. To see photos of the SE 83 see bottom of the page.
Guitar 'SE 101' was made in 1886 and has found it's way to Buenos Aires. This could be the instrument that once
belonged to Práxedes Gil-Orozco. It has a German spruce soundboard with Cypress back and sides. There are
some good photos on the web site but unfortunately it states there are a number of cracks in the soundboard,
back and sides. The neck was also broken at some stage. The case for the instrument is original. The headstock
and bridge are in the style of Manuel Domínguez. My personal guess is that Orozco's Torres instrument may have been badly damaged and at some
point it was modified/repaired by Manuel Domínguez. Who later went on to make a number of similar multi string classical harp guitars.
Emilio Bo was a concert guitarist who studied with Carlos Garcia Tolsa and was also a student of Antonio Jiménez Manjon. Emilio at some point moved
from Spain to Argentina and in 1916 he had a son called César Antonio Bo Puente. César also took up the guitar and was considered a child prodigy by
the age of eleven. He became successful performing solo pieces and duos with his father in public and on the radio. There is rare photo of a young
César playing an eleven stringed classical, a clear continuation of the Manjon school of guitar. A CD of César's music can be purchased at Fine Fretted
String Instruments. A number of otherf11-string classical guitars have come out of the woodwork in Argentina, most probably due to some influence of
Emilio Bo and Práxedes Gil-Orozco. Instruments from Manue Domínguez 1920 as well as Breyer 1910, Manuel Gil and Francisco Nuñez 1910. Picture
67 and 70 in the book 'Ivan Padovec 1800-1873 and his time' show a Vincente Arias and a Manuel Domínguez 11-string classical with 8 strings on the
neck and 3 floating.
It is also known that Andrés Segovia's (1893-1987) original Ramirez guitar that was given to him by Manuel Ramirez de Galarreta (1864-1916) was once
an eleven stringed classical before being converted. The well known story behind this instrument is once again linked to Antonio Jiménes Manjón. I have
seen this instrument myself in the Metropolitan Museum in New York and I also have the plans for the instrument. You can see the conversion where the
peg holes were plugged and then the head stock was then re-shaped. The 12th fret slot is also cut all the way through suggesting the original
soundboard was replaced. The slipper heel inside the body is the width of a 7-string neck.
Musée de la Musique: I have tried a number of times to get a direct link to the photos of the SE83 in the Paris Museum, but it does not seem to work. To
see the photos click on the link above which will take you to their photo library. In the first box labeled 'par mots-clés' type in 'Torres',. In the box below
type in the number of the photo you wish to see and then click the button 'Valider'. If you just type in Torres you will see their small collection of Torres
guitars. To see... The front- 19176, The back- 19177, Side profile- 19178, Heel profile- 19179, The label inside- 19180, a nice photo of the SE83 with
another Torres- 15152.
YouTube videos
•
Radmila Besic with an 11-string classical guitar that was built and tuned in the way Antonio Jiménez Manjón played his instrument. The instrument
she plays was made by Curt Claus Voigt.
•
Bach's Prelude BWV1008, played on a 1920s Manuel Dominguez eleven string.
•
Tomas Estevan 11-string from around 1895 Montevideo played by Randy Osborne of Fine Fretted Instruments.
•
Carlos Garcia Tolsa original instrument played by Randy Osborne of Fine Fretted Instruments.
•
11 16 13 Francisco Nuñez c1895 11-string played by Professor Kenneth Andrade.
•
11 16 13 Tomas Estevan c1895 11-string played by Professor Kenneth Andrade.
11-strings for For Sale
•
Francisco Nuñez c1895 at Fine Fretted Instruments
•
Tomas Estevan c1895 at Fine Fretted Instruments
•
The owner of this rare 1890 11-string guitar made by Vicente Arias (1840-1913) to the right, is interested in exchanging
it for a Antonio de Torres or Marcelo Barbero guitar.
The guitarist Raphaella Smits talks about her 1899 8-string Arias guitar and there is also some good information about Airas
on the page as well. She has also recorded a CD with a number of pieces by Antonio Jimenez Manjon, played on her Vicente
Arias 8-string. You can find a couple of Arias guitars on the web. Most seem to be in collection, there is one here in England in
the Granary Guitar Collection.
copy of the Torres SE83 back in 1999, although I chose to use different woods. I used the measurements in José L Romanillos' book 'Antonio de Torres,
Guitar Maker, His Life and Work'. It is a beautiful sounding instrument. The tuning of this instrument I found in a book was CFDGB, EAdgbe. I would
suggest finding your own tuning. The four strings that lay off the fingerboard can be plucked by the left thumb. A copy of this instrument would costs
£2750 with a Cedar neck, Indian Rosewood back and sides, a European spruce soundboard and French polished. Please inquire for alternative woods
and options.
History: There was a small, dedicated group of eleven stringed guitar players in the last half of the 19th century in Andalusia, Spain. These players
included José Martinez Toboso, Juan Parga, José Rojo Cid and blind guitarist Antonio Jiménes Manjón (1866-1919, some people write Antonio Gimenez
Manjón). James Westbrook of 'The Guitar Museum' found a review of a concert Manjón gave in England in 1888. The article says that he played on a 9-
string guitar. Manjón's music for the eleven-stringed guitar was published by Romero y Fernández in two volumes called 'Escuela de la Guitarra'.
Finefretted.com sells some of Manjón's sheet music as well as other composers of multi-stringed guitars such as Mertz and Coste. I don't know if the
music is arranged for these kinds of instrument or adapted for 6-string.
Carlos Garcia Tolsa with his Francisco Nuñez 11 string guitar.
Photo courtesy of Randy Osborne
Carlos Garcia Tolsa ( 1858-1905 ) was the nephew of Manjón and was taught by Julian Arcas. To the left there
is a picture of Tolsa holding an 11-string guitar, made by Francisco Nuñez c1895.
Randy Osborne of Fine Fretted Instruments demonstrate the instrument.
With my interest in harp guitars I came across Torres's work from the wonderful book
'Antonio de Torres, Guitar Maker, His Life and Work' written by José L Romanillos.
This book gives an excellent description of Torres's instruments and his work. José
also gives some details to the restoration he did on the Torres 'SE83' eleven string.
These special guitars were said to be his interpretation of the Germanic bass-guitar
(Kontra guitare). Although Torres had seven strings on the fingerboard and the other
four lay off the fingerboard. Antonio de Torres (1817-92) made many guitars and 88
of them are listed in the book. It is not a complete list and hopefully a few others will
come to light in the future.
The earliest known surviving eleven string is Torres's 'SE 07', which was made in
1876 and was owned by José Martinez Toboso. The 'SE' stands for the 'Second
Epoch' of Torres's life of guitar making. In this era he numbered his instruments. The
'SE 07' guitar was inherited by Maria Terol, who unfortunately had it converted from
eleven strings to six strings by Marcelo Barbero in 1945. The guitar has cypress
wood back and sides, which is normally associated with flamenco guitars. The best
reason for using cypress is that it is not as heavy as rosewood and that it was a local wood and so cheaper
than rosewood, which had to be imported. This guitar has a three-piece spruce soundboard. There is a photo
of Toboso playing the eleven stringed guitar in Romanillos's book. It is hard to tell from the photo but it can
look as if the there were eight strings on the fingerboard.
Probably the first classical guitar duo to make a concert tour of America was formed by Práxedes Gil-Orozco and José Martinez Toboso, personal friends
of Francisco Tarrega. There is a photo taken of the pair of them in January 1889 in Valencia. In the photo are two eleven string guitars that were
commissioned from the famous luthier Antonio de Torres. From Valencia there was a three week journey to Venezuela. From Venezuela they went to
San Juan de Puerto Rico, to Santo Domingo in the Dominican Republic, Port au Prince in Haiti to arrive in Havana on the island of Cuba. From there
they went to New Orleans in the USA, Mexico, Guatemala, Colombia, Chile, Brazil, Uruguay and Argentina. In 1890 Toboso returned to Spain and
Orozco stayed in Brazil where he remained until 1907 developing a brilliant career as a concert performer, entrepreneur and journalist.
Guitar 'SE 71' was made in 1884 and was once owned by José Rojo Cid. In an article from 'American Lutherie
Number 33', luthier Richard E Bruné talks about its history and the restoration he made on this guitar. It is said
that José Rojo Cid studied with Juan Parga, and Juan Parga knew Antonio Jiménes Manjon. It is also said that
Manjon owned two eleven stringed guitars by Torres. It seems that José Rojo Cid obtained one of these eleven
stringed guitars. The strutting in this guitar is different from Torres's normal fan bracing. The two outer struts on
either side of the fan bracing continue under arches in the lower harmonic bar/cross strut. This was to give the
soundboard more freedom of movement and so more responsive to the lower frequencies of the five bass
strings. This guitar had been repaired by Marcelino Lopez Nieto and then by Bruné in 1993.
Guitar 'SE 83' was made in 1885 and this has locust wood for its back and sides, it is the only guitar to have used
locust wood. Romanillos repaired this particular guitar in 1981. He also gives measurements for this instrument,
which I used for this eleven stringed classical guitar. There are also plans for the instrument on the Internet. The
SE 83 also appears in the book 'La Guitarra Española, The Spanish Guitar', which was published for an
exhibition at the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York, USA. You can see a picture of this instrument, which is
now in Paris in the Musée de la Musique. To see photos of the SE 83 see bottom of the page.
Guitar 'SE 101' was made in 1886 and has found it's way to Buenos Aires. This could be the instrument that once
belonged to Práxedes Gil-Orozco. It has a German spruce soundboard with Cypress back and sides. There are
some good photos on the web site but unfortunately it states there are a number of cracks in the soundboard,
back and sides. The neck was also broken at some stage. The case for the instrument is original. The headstock
and bridge are in the style of Manuel Domínguez. My personal guess is that Orozco's Torres instrument may have been badly damaged and at some
point it was modified/repaired by Manuel Domínguez. Who later went on to make a number of similar multi string classical harp guitars.
Emilio Bo was a concert guitarist who studied with Carlos Garcia Tolsa and was also a student of Antonio Jiménez Manjon. Emilio at some point moved
from Spain to Argentina and in 1916 he had a son called César Antonio Bo Puente. César also took up the guitar and was considered a child prodigy by
the age of eleven. He became successful performing solo pieces and duos with his father in public and on the radio. There is rare photo of a young
César playing an eleven stringed classical, a clear continuation of the Manjon school of guitar. A CD of César's music can be purchased at Fine Fretted
String Instruments. A number of otherf11-string classical guitars have come out of the woodwork in Argentina, most probably due to some influence of
Emilio Bo and Práxedes Gil-Orozco. Instruments from Manue Domínguez 1920 as well as Breyer 1910, Manuel Gil and Francisco Nuñez 1910. Picture
67 and 70 in the book 'Ivan Padovec 1800-1873 and his time' show a Vincente Arias and a Manuel Domínguez 11-string classical with 8 strings on the
neck and 3 floating.
It is also known that Andrés Segovia's (1893-1987) original Ramirez guitar that was given to him by Manuel Ramirez de Galarreta (1864-1916) was once
an eleven stringed classical before being converted. The well known story behind this instrument is once again linked to Antonio Jiménes Manjón. I have
seen this instrument myself in the Metropolitan Museum in New York and I also have the plans for the instrument. You can see the conversion where the
peg holes were plugged and then the head stock was then re-shaped. The 12th fret slot is also cut all the way through suggesting the original
soundboard was replaced. The slipper heel inside the body is the width of a 7-string neck.
Musée de la Musique: I have tried a number of times to get a direct link to the photos of the SE83 in the Paris Museum, but it does not seem to work. To
see the photos click on the link above which will take you to their photo library. In the first box labeled 'par mots-clés' type in 'Torres',. In the box below
type in the number of the photo you wish to see and then click the button 'Valider'. If you just type in Torres you will see their small collection of Torres
guitars. To see... The front- 19176, The back- 19177, Side profile- 19178, Heel profile- 19179, The label inside- 19180, a nice photo of the SE83 with
another Torres- 15152.
YouTube videos
•
Radmila Besic with an 11-string classical guitar that was built and tuned in the way Antonio Jiménez Manjón played his instrument. The instrument
she plays was made by Curt Claus Voigt.
•
Bach's Prelude BWV1008, played on a 1920s Manuel Dominguez eleven string.
•
Tomas Estevan 11-string from around 1895 Montevideo played by Randy Osborne of Fine Fretted Instruments.
•
Carlos Garcia Tolsa original instrument played by Randy Osborne of Fine Fretted Instruments.
•
11 16 13 Francisco Nuñez c1895 11-string played by Professor Kenneth Andrade.
•
11 16 13 Tomas Estevan c1895 11-string played by Professor Kenneth Andrade.
11-strings for For Sale
•
Francisco Nuñez c1895 at Fine Fretted Instruments
•
Tomas Estevan c1895 at Fine Fretted Instruments
•
The owner of this rare 1890 11-string guitar made by Vicente Arias (1840-1913) to the right, is interested in exchanging
it for a Antonio de Torres or Marcelo Barbero guitar.
The guitarist Raphaella Smits talks about her 1899 8-string Arias guitar and there is also some good information about Airas
on the page as well. She has also recorded a CD with a number of pieces by Antonio Jimenez Manjon, played on her Vicente
Arias 8-string. You can find a couple of Arias guitars on the web. Most seem to be in collection, there is one here in England in
the Granary Guitar Collection.
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Soundboard: Western Red Cedar
•
Back & Sides: Honduras Rosewood
•
Neck: Cedar
•
Fingerboard: Ebony
•
Bridge: Ebony
•
Rosette: Custom
•
Bindings: Ebony
•
Finish: French polish
•
Tuners: Rosewood pegs
•
Nut and Saddle: Bone
•
Nut width: 70mm (2.75")
•
Scale length: 650mm (25.59")
•
Body width: 380mm (15")
•
Body depth: 110mm (4.3")
•
Body length: 484mm (19")
•
Back & Sides: Honduras Rosewood
•
Neck: Cedar
•
Fingerboard: Ebony
•
Bridge: Ebony
•
Rosette: Custom
•
Bindings: Ebony
•
Finish: French polish
•
Tuners: Rosewood pegs
•
Nut and Saddle: Bone
•
Nut width: 70mm (2.75")
•
Scale length: 650mm (25.59")
•
Body width: 380mm (15")
•
Body depth: 110mm (4.3")
•
Body length: 484mm (19")
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Torres 11 String Copy
This instrument today is considered to be a nylon or classical harp guitar
because it has a number of strings that are not on the fingerboard. I
made this copy of the Torres SE83 back in 1999, although I chose to use
different woods. I used the measurements in José L Romanillos' book
'Antonio de Torres, Guitar Maker, His Life and Work'. It is a beautiful
sounding instrument. The tuning of this instrument I found in a book was
CFDGB, EAdgbe. I would suggest finding your own tuning. The four
strings that lay off the fingerboard can be plucked by the left thumb. A
copy of this instrument would costs £2750 with a Cedar neck, Indian
Rosewood back and sides, a European spruce soundboard and French
polished. Please inquire for alternative woods and options.
because it has a number of strings that are not on the fingerboard. I
made this copy of the Torres SE83 back in 1999, although I chose to use
different woods. I used the measurements in José L Romanillos' book
'Antonio de Torres, Guitar Maker, His Life and Work'. It is a beautiful
sounding instrument. The tuning of this instrument I found in a book was
CFDGB, EAdgbe. I would suggest finding your own tuning. The four
strings that lay off the fingerboard can be plucked by the left thumb. A
copy of this instrument would costs £2750 with a Cedar neck, Indian
Rosewood back and sides, a European spruce soundboard and French
polished. Please inquire for alternative woods and options.
•
Soundboard: Western Red Cedar
•
Back & Sides: Honduras Rosewood
•
Neck: Cedar
•
Fingerboard: Ebony
•
Bridge: Ebony
•
Rosette: Custom
•
Bindings: Ebony
•
Finish: French polish
•
Tuners: Rosewood pegs
•
Nut and Saddle: Bone
•
Nut width: 70mm (2.75")
•
Scale length: 650mm (25.59")
•
Body width: 380mm (15")
•
Body depth: 110mm (4.3")
•
Body length: 484mm (19")
•
Neck: Cedar
•
Fingerboard: Ebony
•
Bridge: Ebony
•
Rosette: Custom
•
Bindings: Ebony
•
Finish: French polish
•
Tuners: Rosewood pegs
•
Nut and Saddle: Bone
•
Nut width: 70mm (2.75")
•
Scale length: 650mm (25.59")
•
Body width: 380mm (15")
•
Body depth: 110mm (4.3")
•
Body length: 484mm (19")
